Produced by Indus Valley Productions, Kashf- The Lifting of the Veil is Pakistan’s first English-language feature film in 30 years. The movie explores Sufism – the mystical side of Islam – through the eyes of Armaghan, who was born after an oath his mother made to a Sufi Pir when she was childless. Armaghan’s mother promises the Pir, who blesses her, to let her son ‘walk the Sufi path’ when he grows up. However, he returns to Pakistan from America after 25 years, unaware of the secret about to change his life. According to the film’s website, Kashf “is a story of universal relevance exploring humanity’s basic questions of who we are, and why we are here.” The movie has been shown at several film festivals, including the Santa Fe Film Festival, where it was nominated for “Best Editing,” in 2008 and is currently on a screening tour [join the Facebook group to see how/when you can watch the film]. Below, is CHUP’s interview with Kashf’s incredible director, Ayesha Khan:
Q: Congratulations on the recent success of your film, Kashf – The Lifting of the Veil, and the critical acclaim it has received! What has the creative journey been like from writing the short story on which the screenplay is based 15 years ago to showing it before audiences today? Do you feel like the film would have been received differently then than now?
I wrote the screenplay for KASHF: The Lifting of the Veil in 2003 when I found the short story going through old papers. In 2004, I came to Pakistan for pre-production and to check out the local scene. There was such great energy with the media opening up and there was an option for a co-production with India. However, due to funding issues, I had to return to NY and restart again in 2007. When we re-started we made a conscious decision we would make this a Pakistani production, meaning cast and crew, except for Departments heads from NY to see if we could pull it off.
Quite frankly, I don’t think the film could have been made 15 years ago. As regards audience reaction – I feel the world at large as well as Pakistan is more ready for this film now. Part of it is philosophical – a re-examination of our priorities as the human race, who we are, why are we here and who will walk with us… as the movie touches on these questions.
Q: Your film delves into the mystical side of Islam – Sufism. How prevalent was Sufism while you were growing up in Lahore, Pakistan? Is it more or less prevalent today?
The fact is that we all grew up with Sufi stories swirling all around us in Pakistan – whether we identified them as Sufi or not. Bulleh Shah’s poetry was constantly recited by my grandmother, as well as bedtime stories of Mullah Nasruddin by my grandfather. And of course, there were extended relatives who visited the mazaars [tombs].
It’s difficult to gauge how strongly it influences Pakistan today versus the past but one must keep in mind, unlike Wahhabism which is a recent phenomena, Sufism has been part of this land we claim as Pakistan since before the 12th century. It permeates and enriches our culture and our identity in ways which are visceral and we should as a nation be determined to preserve that. Despite the horrific bombing of Rehman Baba’s Shrine in Peshawar – I don’t think the Sufis are leaving anytime soon.
Q: A recent piece by BBC News posed the question, “Can Sufi Islam Counter the Taliban?” Do you think Sufism can counter the hardline Islam practiced by groups like Taliban and Al Qaeda? Do you think your film could have a place in this debate?
Personally, I feel it is the people of Pakistan who will counter the Taliban and only the people of Pakistan when they decide to do so. Whether they are Sufi is beside the point and again compartmentalizes the issue.
It is up to the citizens of any nation to stand up for what they truly believe in and demand that any government elected by the people fulfills those promises. The biggest recruitment ad today for the Taliban is unemployment, poverty, alienation and Wahabi proselytism (excellent read on this in A Necessary Engagement). If the government was serious in its intent and reached out with a long term goal of education to people in Pakistan and providing means with which they could be economically viable, the elements at risk would themselves realize the fabulously coined label of Taliban are nothing but thugs who are hiding behind a façade of Islam which has nothing to do with the practice of Islam.
In the U.S., the movie is already creating a ‘perceptional shift’ in American audiences vis a vis Pakistan as it exposes them to something different other than bearded terrorists. For Pakistanis, I hope the initiation into the Sufi path as depicted in the film would remind us in the words of one of our reviewers “the paths to happiness and fulfillment (and God), though obscured or veiled, are many and findable, with effort and determination.” – Patricia L. Sharpe
Q: People have called films like Zibahkhana, Ramachand Pakistani, Khuda Kay Liye, and now, Kashf, a revival of Pakistani cinema. Where would you like to see the country’s film industry in ten years?
I would in all optimism like to see a new cinema emerging out of Pakistan telling our stories. I would like to see Pakistani audiences preferring to go to see Pakistani movies first and foremost – and lastly, to see a film industry emerge competing not just on the international front but being backed by a distribution model within the country.
Q: Finally, what would you like audience members to take away from your film?
Hope…

Great interview. Hadn’t heard about this movie before I came across your post. Do you know if the movie will be shown in NYC? Can’t wait to watch it.
This is great – really looking forward to watching the movie! Thanks for interviewing Ayesha! These interviews on CHUP! really help spread the word as most of us are usually unaware of what great work is being done in Pakistan right now since the media is too busy covering other issues.
Keep it up.
Yeah it’s apparently showing at Columbia University March 23rd – here’s the facebook group for Indus Valley Productions, with more info on the screenings:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=54483209657&ref=ts#/group.php?gid=30463546504&ref=ts
Thanks for the update! Will def go to see this one.
This sounds amazing! I actually came to comment and find out if anyone knows of any screenings in my area. Seems I wasn’t alone!
Wonderful work Ayesha…Pakistan need it the most…Hi wonderful stuff…. the only way Pakistan can get rid of extremism issue is through home grown solutions and only Sufism and Sufism-enligtened people of Pakistan are very powerful home grown solution to extremism in Pakistani society…
Besides the general need of the people to understand Sufism or ways to be spiritually connected, I believe that it is quite predictable that in almost near future, Sufism will get more of a deliberate limelight widespread all across the world and especially in Pakistan and about Pakistan. I think there will be a time very near when you will have to show Kashf again…and you will find more audiences who are already initiated….
Great work…so proud of you….
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Kals, an excellent interview. I would be very keen to see how Ayesha in her movie, portrays the history of Sufism in Pakistan and the role it still plays on the lives of people…taking into account, the current and growing threat of “Talibanization” at least in some areas of the country.
AMAZING interview! The other day I ran across the soundtrack page for the movie! I love there Khayal track:
http://www.theliftingoftheveilsoundtrack.com
Nice interview! I was fortunate enough to attend a screening last week at Albuquerque, New Mexico’s last independent cinema, The Guild Theater. Afterward, Ayesha Khan answered questions from the audience—and I was inspired to find her as eloquent and insightful as she obviously is beautiful, talented and courageous.
I learned more from the dialogue and insight provided by a Hindu gentlemen who spoke about his positive experiences in Islamic Pakistan.
I agree that the world at large needs this film now. The questioning of our priorities is essential at this point in history—and I think there are many who will walk with us in trying to expose the prejudices and misconceptions being exploited by power-seekers more interested in using our ignorance to fuel our fears than they are in working to solve the basic human needs of the people.
The post-modern elements within the film (e.g. personal computers,cell phones, and obsession with film stardom) provided a humorous mirror for how much the Pakistanis share dreams and desires that any westerener can identify with… as the movie touches on eternal questions about true paths to identity, happiness, and fullfillment.
If you get a chance , take the time to check it out.
that was supposed to be “westerner”
excellent interview kalsoom!i couldn’t resist reading CHUP today..ehahha..it’s always encouraging reading about projects like this..always good to know that young pakistani’s are involved in art/filmmaking despite the poor resources allocated for the arts. since mushy’s time in office it seems that the art scene amongst the youth in pakistan has been reinvigorated. can’t wait to watch this and congratulations to the director on the completion of the film and its success. i think the director hits on a very valuable point when she mentions the distribution of films in pakistan. i think that will be one of the defining issues for an emerging pakistani film industry, or not emerging but revival. i think the recent introduction/revival (?) of film classes etc at schools across pakistan has contributed to the emergence of young pakistani filmmakers.
ayesha khan is a beautiful and very talented pakistani-american. thanks for interviewing her and sharing this with us. a question was asked at a dinner recently, (where there were all pakistanis) who are our heroes in pakistan? i learnt that we dont honour our heroes- even if we have them- apparently not one street in pakistan is named after faiz ahmed faiz…when i see someone like ayesha khan, i think, maybe generations down the line, children, esp women, will look up to ayesha khan as a hero- an innovator, as someone creative and intelligent, who had the courage to make a movie about issues that people dont even think is polite enough to dicsuss at a dinner party. we dont talk about the difficult things, the hard questions are not asked. your question regarding sufi islam and how it will shape/colour events in pakistan is so germane at the moment. keep the interviews coming, please!
So will cinemas in Pakistan showing this require security?
Chris Hayes-
Most cinemas that are open now require security anyway, since they show “Western” or “Indian” films *gasp* oh the horror. The fundos have already threatened them!
Gerat interview, Kals. It’s amazing how much media has boomed in the receont years. And yes, Musharraf with all his follies really helped to liberalize media. So I give him that.
Ramchand was awesome as was Khuda Key Liye. One thing you forgot to ask/mention was how the movie was financed.
Javed Jabbar at the premiere of Ramchand at KaraFilm said that they basically funded the movie themselves. So that would be interesting to know…
I had a very dull time in Bangladesh for three years. Most of the cinemas had been blown up to celebrate the coming to power of the BNP/religious parties alliance in 2001. And the one international cinema (now burnt down) showed the same bloody hollywood film for 6 months in a row.
Still I built up an amazing collection of dodgy DVD’s that were apparently made in Malaysia and sold everywhere.
Oh the joys of international travel. Get the Pakistani films past the slow film censor in bangladesh and everyone would go watch them just to see something new. Though perhaps not during the coming war crimes trials!
That’s great that you lived in Bangladesh, Chris! My mom is from Dhaka, is that where you were?
Yawar,
Good point. I’ll make sure to ask that question when Ayesha Khan comes to town to show clips of the film!
I was in Chittagon, Cox’s Bazar, Jessure and Dhaka (Dhaka the most, lived in Gulshan 2).
Funnilly enough I’m in kolkata now until May so I get to compare the two Bengali capitals!
I don’t miss driving there. I crashed on average once a month and so by the end of three years was the proud owner of one of the worse Toyota Corolas in the country. Sold it to a Nepalise policeman who was an even worse driver! (Hit a rickshaw on his 100m test drive.)
Oh nice! Thomar Bangla kamon? Bhalo?
What are you doing out there? Have you made it over to Pakistan yet?
Kee khaboro?
Sadly my ability with languages is zero. I would have to ask my wife who is far better than I! (Or my daughter but you would have to excuse her inability to read it being quite young).
I’m staying in Calcutta for a couple of months with my family working before going back to the UK in May, I’ve only ever been to Islamabad for a training course whilst i was in the civil service though so my experience of Pakistan is quite limited.
My daughter incidentally loves all this traveling (which I’m not fond of) especially since it means we spend lots of time with her!
The power of film and art is really amazing in terms of exposing different cultures, which the US needs more than ever right now. I think of how the Kite Runner or Bookseller of Kabul provided insight into Afghan history and culture, and at just the right time when American interest was there (so they managed to have some commercial success as well, which never hurts). The time is ripe for something from Pakistan to break through and show Americans that all Pakistanis are not the Taliban or part of ISI. And since i don’t think we could send Kalsoom on a tour of the country to challenge perceptions of Pakistanis, art is the next best thing. There is a richness and diversity to the culture that we have to understand if we, as Americans, can ever hope to find a common ground and resolution to greater security issues. For too long have we ignored the culture of countries where we conduct military operations or station troops, and usually at a high cost (I’m thinking Vietnam, Iraq, Saudi, the list could go on).
Pakistans best envoys are the expatriots living overseas. Sadly when I say best its an aspiration rather than currently where often the reality is, at least in the UK, people are seen as racist, low educational achievers, abusive to women, corrupt in politics and now the latest label is fundementalist.
@ Kalsoom,
where have you studied the ” sufi Islam ” btw, ?
Can you please give us some historical, cultural or
Islamic jurisprudential references to sufism, or is again
another fantasmic innovation like American Talibans ?
I wonder if you would one day also write something about
Islam itself !!! but not only invented ” sufi Islam “.
BBC’s Barbara kiete was talking about a possible
cooperation of Pakistani sufis to counter Talibans !!
saw it on wordpress twoweeks ago !! yet another
surprise from US Neocons !! damn them all !!! LIARS
CHEATS.
If you wish I can write something with few ” historical ”
and concrete references as quoted not by Americans
but real historians ?
cheers
Hi, I reside in London and I am very pleased to know that someone has finally taken the initiative to show the actual side of Pakistan…The side we live everyday..the side that is our identity and our culture and the side which is Pakistan and not what is portrayed in the general media. I am really excited about Kashf and want to know when it would be released in the UK.
I would like to know when it is going to be screened in London? Can we make some efforts to bring it to London?
Zahra
Good interview. Really sufism is totally different world and real islam & truth is only sufism.
Aisha Khan is converging to sufism because of some inherent reasons. This time comes to every individual when one feels that he needs spirtual assistance.