So the first U.S. presidential debate just ended, and initial post-debate polls have indicated that it was a victory, albeit a narrow one, for Democratic candidate Senator Barack Obama. However, as is now expected in a debate on U.S. foreign policy, the question of Pakistan was a source of disagreement between the candidates. So what was said?
Sen. Obama took issue with the current level of troops in Iraq, asserting the need to send at least two to three additional brigades to Afghanistan to counter the growing militant threat in the region. While discussing a strategic shift towards Afghanistan, Obama also talked about the need to deal with Pakistan, since both the Taliban and Al Qaeda have established safe havens in the northwest areas. According to Obama, the U.S. has given Pakistan $10 billion in military aid and assistance, “and they haven’t done what needs to be done to get rid of those safe havens.”
Republican candidate Sen. John McCain shot back, “If you’re going to point a gun at someone, you better be ready to pull the trigger…and I’m not ready to threaten Pakistan.” The presidential candidate accused Obama of threatening military strikes against Pakistan, and noted he [McCain] would cooperate with the Pakistani people, since “he knows how to work them.” Although McCain called for a new strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan that would mirror the ‘surge’ in Iraq, it would inherently require more troops on the ground.
In his rebuttal, Obama asserted that “no one talked about attacking Pakistan.” Instead, he reaffirmed his stance that, “If Pakistan is unable to attack [Al Qaeda and Taliban targets] then we should take them out.” The problem with our past strategy with Pakistan, he noted, was that Washington “coddled Musharraf,” in turn alienating the Pakistani population. Ultimately, Obama added, the United States “lost legitimacy in Pakistan” as a result of such an approach.
At the peripheral level, John McCain took a much softer approach on Pakistan, emphasizing that aggressive statements about U.S. attacks against Pakistan are counter-productive and risk alienating the Pakistani population and government. He spent the majority of the time, however, criticizing Obama’s “hawkish” stance on the country. Barack Obama reiterated his previous stance, asserting that if Pakistan wouldn’t go after AQ and Taliban militants, and they were in U.S. sight, they would take them out.
Reading between the lines, it is significant that McCain’s constant criticism of Obama’s stance on taking out militant targets in safe havens equated to “attacking Pakistan.” During the debate, Obama made no mention of an attack on Pakistan’s sovereignty, on its people, or on the government. He asserted that U.S. attacks on militant targets would only occur if actionable intelligence existed and the Pakistani government was unwilling to cooperate. Due to high-profile attacks, like the recent Marriott Hotel bombing, it is increasingly within Islamabad’s national interest to counter this militant threat; not to appease U.S. demands, but rather to protect its own civilians and take ownership of the war at hand.
Regardless of political posturing, the U.S. will always act according to its national security interests. If Coalition forces are being killed by militants in cross-border attacks, it inherently threatens U.S. security; that would be true for any country. The difference in this presidential election is that Obama openly acknowleges this reality, while McCain merely chooses to equate it to an attack on Pakistani sovereignty. Ultimately, however, there isn’t an easy answer to this issue, and the next president will be forced to respond to the realities on the ground. Therefore, it may come down to how they tend to respond to major issues rather than their current political stances – will they assess the situation from all sides and exhaust all options before deciding on a strategy? Or will they make a rash decision because they believe they “must not blink” when it comes to matters of national security? For the sake of Pakistan, I pray that it’s the former rather than the latter. [Image from the Washington Post]
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@They should stop debating Pakistan and live it alone !!
keep their semi-retarded ninkompoops to themselves.
USA has converted the entire planet into a hell. !!
Who says Pakistan can not live without USA ?
The mentally deranged Ba ba black sheeps, &
jack & jill went up the hillers.
[…] Changing up Pakistan discusses the debate extensively to say: It was a victory, albeit a narrow one, for Democratic candidate Senator Barack Obama. Regardless of political posturing, the U.S. will always act according to its national security interests. If Coalition forces are being killed by militants in cross-border attacks, it inherently threatens U.S. security; that would be true for any country. The difference in this presidential election is that Obama openly acknowleges this reality, while McCain merely chooses to equate it to an attack on Pakistani sovereignty. Ultimately, however, there isn’t an easy answer to this issue, and the next president will be forced to respond to the realities on the ground. Therefore, it may come down to how they tend to respond to major issues rather than their current political stances. […]
Am personally in favor of an Obama-Biden victory. Ultimately, doesn’t it always come down to a candidate’s natural instincts? We couldn’t have predicted how President Bush would have reacted to 9/11, and we saw the mess that occurred. By the time the new president comes to power, the environment in Pakistan could very well have changed for the better or worse – I truly believe that McCain’s natural inclination is to act “without blinking,” as has been the case for his party in the last eight years, while Obama will only act after assessing the situation thoroughly, speaking to various foreign policy advisors, and making an educated decision. If you doubt that, then just take a look at how Obama has conducted himself throughout this campaign – the time he has taken before taking a stance has been criticized by some, but may be a positive when it comes down to acting on Pakistan when and if he becomes commander-in-chief.
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Kalsoom,
Though you and I disagree on who is best is “fit” to be the next president of US, I do appreciate your great efforts. I also would encourage you to read the following article written on Bloomberg. It may help you give another perspective on Obama & Co.
Silencing Critics Using the Barack Obama Method: Ann Woolner
Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) — Barack Obama campaigns as if only Thomas Jefferson could match his devotion to free speech and open government.
He co-sponsored a 2006 law that put more government information, such as earmarks, online and now wants to expand it. He says he would “shine the light” on things like how much lobbyists spend to swing which federal contract for what clients and tax breaks for special interest groups. As president, he would post online bills that reach his desk for five days before signing.
And yet, when trying to squelch debate about the more troubling aspects of his candidacy, any Jeffersonian instincts evaporate.
When WGN-AM Radio in Chicago scheduled a two-hour interview last week with David Freddoso, who wrote “The Case Against Barack Obama,” the campaign sent out an alarm to supporters, sparking an avalanche of angry phone calls to the station.
The case against Freddoso, according to the Obama Wire Alert, was that he’s a “card-carrying member of the right-wing smear machine.” And by hosting him, WGN was giving a wider audience for Freddoso’s “baseless lies.”
Lies? In a political campaign?! And baseless lies at that!
Within the growing anti-Obama literary school, Freddoso isn’t the most extreme. But he clearly misstates facts. For example, he claims that Obama favors infanticide. False.
As for a smear machine, that isn’t paranoia talking. The contraption is revved up and churning out product.
Angry Callers
But the proper response in a democratic society isn’t to scream at those who give an author a podium, to call the man names or jam a radio station’s phone lines with angry callers.
If you value free speech, the proper response is to say yes, thanks, when the radio host invites your campaign to send someone to debate the enemy on the air.
Obama’s campaign declined.
So it did a month earlier, too, when the same WGN-AM radio host, Milt Rosenberg, gave time to yet another anti-Obama writer, Stanley Kurtz. There is no shortage of these people, it would seem.
Then, as now, the campaign refused to join the critic on the air, preferring to sic supporters onto the station’s complaint line instead. The second time that happened, the host found an Obama supporter to balance out the show, albeit one not connected to the campaign.
You can understand the campaign’s inclination not to give such writers more cred by showing up to debate them.
And yet, shouldn’t the campaign rebut these allegations in the venue where they turn up?
Shutting Up Critics
Instead, it tries to shut them up.
While writing rebuttal after rebuttal online, the campaign and its supporters have been threatening television stations and networks with boycotts of sponsors and legal action for airing a commercial produced by this year’s reincarnation of the 2004 Swift Boat Veterans for “Truth.” (The quotation marks are mine, not theirs.)
Backed by the same Texas billionaire, Harold Simmons, who helped pay for the Swift Boat campaign and is maxing out on contributions to the McCain-Palin campaign, the American Issues Project has produced and is buying air time for a commercial that ties Obama to a 1960s radical who admits to helping bomb the U.S. Capitol in 1971, William Ayers.
Senator John Kerry, the Democrats’ 2004 presidential nominee, couldn’t imagine his Vietnam War service and the medal he won for it could be successfully attacked as he campaigned against a president who used his father’s connections to avoid combat altogether.
Swift Boat Claims
So the Swift Boat claims ricocheted around cable networks and radio talk shows for weeks before they got a rise out of the Kerry campaign. By the time fact-checkers debunked the claims, the damage had been done.
This year, too, it’s clear that no lie can be presumptively dismissed as too untrue to be believed.
And yet, candidates who want to side with truth and free speech simply can’t go around urging their supporters to badger those who write unpleasant, even untrue, things about them.
The Obama campaign bullied CNN and Fox TV out of airing the Ayers commercials. But they are being shown in targeted, swing areas in Ohio and Michigan.
Obama shouldn’t be blamed for what Ayers did when the candidate was 8 years old, as Obama says. By the time the two met, Ayers was a University of Illinois professor in Chicago, deeply involved in education reform, a topic of interest to Obama.
And, certainly, voters should care less about the past than we should about how the next president plans to fix America’s shamefully broken education system, the economy, international relations and, you know the rest.
But by trying to shut down his enemies instead of answering them head-on, Obama feeds the suspicions they create and smudges his claim as a full-throated proponent of free speech.
(Ann Woolner is a Bloomberg news columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.)
To contact the writer of this column: Ann Woolner in Atlanta at awoolner@bloomberg.net .
While I agree with Obama on the majority of the issues, his attitude towards Pakistan is annoying.
He continues to say that the U.S. will conduct DIRECT attacks in Pakistan IF AND WHEN the government doesn’t cooperate.
How can he say he is willing to sit down with Ahmedinijad and thensay that he would be willing to strike within our borders? Why wouldn’t he pursue a more diplomatic route and emphasize the need for greater cooperation and intelligence sharing between the two countrie and better usage of aid?
Repeating his intentions to take direct action again and again under a hypothetical scenario will only aggrevate the Pakistani government and citizens further.
It seems to me that Obama’s views are based on recent events only (end of Musharraf’s regime) while McCain’s understanding is based on the history of our country. He understands the region and has been to Waziristan and Afghanistan and knows that its not right to entirely blame Musharraf (as he mentioned how Pak was pretty much a failed state when Musharraf took over). We need a cordial relationship between the two countries and McCain’s softer stance might prove to be more effective.
Yes, McCain is so understanding about Pakistan that he called Zardari, “Kirdari”…
A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet…
This is a must watch video (no I did not make it) for those still undecided on who to vote for in the upcoming elections:
Kalsoom, You may want to check and cross ref issues raised in the presentation.
Oh geez…this video looks like Republican propaganda, no offense Tariq. I’ll check the issues though for those who are interested.
And eid mubarak everyone!
Kalsoom,
That presentation was made by a Lebanese. You can call it propaganda and I hope you can say the same when the democrats come forth with their own lies as truth.
The presentation was based upon historical facts and you can check to see if their are lies.
Regards
Tariq,
Isn’t it sad that our first reaction when we see videos against the party we support is to call them propaganda and lies? I definitely am guilty of that! You’re right, I will look into the sources of this video further. I am trying to check myself to be less polarized when it comes to this election :).
Thanks!
k
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