I generally avoid reading articles by the extreme right-wing (American, Pakistani or otherwise). My news channel of choice is definitely not Fox News. And I think Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are ignorant and infuriating bobbleheads. Maybe I should be tuned into the other side of the spectrum, but I prefer not to be angry and indignant on a regular basis.
I do pick my battles, though, and I made an exception for the recent news surrounding the construction of a mosque at Ground Zero. Last month, a community board in New York City voted 29-1 in favor of a plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero, the site where terrorists crashed planes into New York’s World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. Board member Rob Townley told reporters, “It’s a seed of peace. We believe that this is significant step in the Muslim community to counteract the hate and fanaticism in the minority of the community.”
Ironically, though, a decision that was meant to plant “a seed of peace” has also sparked anti-Muslim protests and statements. Over the weekend, protesters gathered in lower Manhattan to demonstrate against building the mosque, which is a joint initiative by the Cordoba Initiative and the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA) and proposes to be “a $100 million, 13-story community center with Islamic, interfaith and secular programming.”
According to the protest organizer Pamela Geller, though, the center would be more “appropriate” if it was “dedicated to expunging the Quranic texts of the violent ideology that inspired jihad, or perhaps a center to the victims of hundreds of millions of years of jihadi wars, land enslavements, cultural annihilations and mass slaughter.” Change.org quoted Geller, who wrote on her own blog, “The mosque is an insult to the Americans who were murdered there. It is a manifestation of a radically intolerant belief system that is incompatible with the freedoms guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.”
First, the victims on 9/11 were people from all backgrounds, including Muslims. Second, a radically intolerant belief system? Look in the mirror, lady.
I shouldn’t have to go into a whole shpeal about how the terrorists who hijacked the Trade Center and Pentagon on 9/11 also hijacked Islam. You’ve heard it before, and I’m frankly tired of being on the defensive, (Spencer Ackerman did say it well though when he noted, “If the 9/11 hijackers were “motivated by the faith of Muhammed,” then every Christian is David Koresh and every Jew is Baruch Goldstein.”)
9/11 was not just a tragedy for Americans, it was a tragedy for us all. We all will remember where we were the day the towers fell, because that was also the day the world changed, when the narrative shifted. It was the day that cast the world in a harsh and polarizing light, as countries and their citizens found themselves on either side of the arbitrarily imposed Axis of Evil.
About two years ago, I visited the Newseum in Washington, D.C. On one of the upper floors was an exhibit on the September 11th attacks. Inside a dark room, the scene of the towers falling was projected on a large screen, interspersed by interviews with journalists, firefighters, and witnesses. The museum had strategically placed a box of tissues on the bench, and trust me. Everyone in that room, from various faith backgrounds, nationalities, races, and ethnicities, all watched in teary-eyed silence.
But sharing in the tragedy of 9/11 doesn’t mean we can’t move on from that day. Ten years later, and the issues and ignorance voiced by Geller and her supporters are an unfortunate reality, but one that should inspire discussion on the American identity, on how the sizable Muslim-American community fits within the nuances of that definition, and how ignorance continues to persist on all sides of the divide.
If nothing else, the Ground Zero Mosque is at least an attempt to go beyond dialogue, which has been exhaustive and relatively unproductive in the years since 2001. Daisy Khan from ASMA noted,
There is a lot of ignorance about who Muslims are. A center like this will be dedicated to removing that ignorance and it will also counter the extremists because moderate Muslims need a voice. Their voices need to be amplified.
So I’ll echo Spencer when I say, Build The Ground Zero Mosque.
I like the point highlighted that it is indeed a tragedy for all of us.
Kalsoom, I think you’ve articulated perfectly what I recently ranted about to a team of Americans i was working with.
We were shooting in mexico, and obviously cross cultural conversations take place, what with them being completely taken aback by my actually being there representing my agency.
They got to admitting how they were completely ignorant about so much and had lazily depended on the news and while knowing that much was sensationalized, they never searched deeper.
at one point i was talking about how they needed to get over the fact that they were the only victims of 9/11. My exact words(sadly not as refined as yours) were, “When those planes crashed into the world trade centre, there was massive loss for you, but shit hit the fan in EPIC proportions for the rest of us!”
Our suffering has no signs of ending in the wake of 9/11. While the American people can sleep easy knowing that their troops are protecting the American people, we have lost our peace compensating for their loss!
I HATE sounding bitter like this. And it’s not how i like to think, but situations like the above really bug me.
100 million dollars..these rich mOslems should use that money to build people rather buildings. we already have a number of million dollar mosques in amreeca. why not build a network and strengthen muslim communities across the country.
you know whats sad; there are about 36 refugee(gaza) families in atlanta and 56 mosques in the area. but no single mosque(not even the 11 million dollar one) is trying to help them out. the reason being, mosques dont have enough funding to support refugees. even islamic schools in the area wont take in refugee children (can’t afford to give free education or transportation). most of the kids are getting education and transportation form a local church. but who cares about community and education, lets build an image of islam – and what better place to brand it than downtown nyc.
yes, majority of people are not familiar with the teachings of islam, but they are not just non muslims. a high percentage of muslims are clueless about their religion too. if the vision is to educate people about islam, one can do that without building a mosque in nyc. a mosque in ground zero will inevitably invite hatred and violence. though, i bet secretly foxnews wants this project to start as soon as possible, so they can run countless ignorant shows – yaay increase profits?
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Whoever came up with the idea of building a mosque on ground zero was a moron of highest order. First, you don’t need to build a mosque or church to sow “a seed of peace”. You want to sow a seed of peace, try building an Inter-religious dialogue and cooperation center, try building a humanitarian resource/practice institute.
Second, You are probably much better Human Being Kalsoom, compare to those who attacked on twin towers or those who are conducting suicide attacks on daily basis in Pakistan, but they are/were much stronger & PRACTICING believers than you are (just my opinion). Reason; they were all well very educated with Islamic text and history than you, they were all performing their islamic duties much more than you or many modern “moderate” muslims can bother to perform. Even today many Taliban and their apologists justify many barbaric suicide attacks by using the quran and hadees books.
If moderate muslims need a voice, they should choose a more acceptable (to believers of other religions and Non believers) platform to not just raise their voice but to also make it effective for masses. For that you don’t need a mosque or church. Otherwise, only extremists gonna exploit this situation.
But as I noted before, it won’t just be a mosque. It will be a community center. And frankly, it won’t be called the Ground Zero Mosque, but Cordoba House. This is what the statement at the Cordoba Initiative website says:
“Cordoba House is a Muslim-led project which will build a world-class facility that promotes tolerance, reflecting the rich diversity of New York City. The center will be community-driven, serving as a platform for inter-community gatherings and cooperation at all levels, providing a space for all New Yorkers to enjoy.
This proposed project is about promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion through arts and culture. Cordoba House will provide a place where individuals, regardless of their backgrounds, will find a center of learning, art and culture; and most importantly, a center guided by universal values in their truest form – compassion, generosity, and respect for all.
The site will contain tremendous amounts of resources that otherwise would not exist in Lower Manhattan; a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, art exhibition spaces, bookstores, restaurants – all these services would form a cultural nexus for a region of New York City that, as it continues to grow, requires the sort of hub that Cordoba House will provide.”
A mosque or at least a prayer room will be part of this development but the naysayers have concentrated on this portion of the initiative rather than the overarching one.
Kalsoom
Over the years I have argued it again and again and I shall say it once again Americans are no different than any other super power of the past. Ummayads during their course of expansion needed laughable excuses to attack smaller nations which they happily did in the name of Islam and spreading Prophet’s (PBUH) message. Invasion of India, Spain and Africa were the perfect examples of a mighty powerful empire expanding its boundaries and till date we tend to glorify our great warriors generals. I have this idiotic habit of linking everything with history but I find it useful and helpful to gain a more thoughtful rational perspective (call me a jahil if you like). 9/11 merely provided Americans another excuse to exercise their might which they have done shamelessly over the past decade. Its not just 9/11, from Korean War, Vietnam War to the war against Soviets in Afghanistan, Americans have effectively brutally unleashed their terror and its not going to stop anytime soon. As a suffering nation how have we fared since 2001, whether addressed to our shortcomings, confessed to our political blunders, terms like introspection, soul searching do they actually carry any significant meaning for us, I believe none. Lets not blame the entire nation the likes of you me khizra..my anger is mainly restricted to our mover & shakers (establishment politicians military) I am talking about the class that could have actually made a difference but did NOTHING.
I wont get into another long time wasting debate as Khizra occasionally accuses me of over analysing things but the reality of matter is Americans have exactly done what all great powers of the past have historically done…exploitation of the less powerful but are managing to survive because there are still some very very sane voices in America. Approving a mosque on the ground zero can be considered tolerance of highest order or a genius stroke of political correctness to gain more credibility with Muslim community but they are doing something decent, lets just appreciate it for a change.
On an idiotic note, imagine state bank of Pakistan in Karachi is brought down by a maniac Hindu pilot operating on his own. In return Indian govt offers to build a grand mandir on that site. How would we react?
“Its not just 9/11, from Korean War, Vietnam War to the war against Soviets in Afghanistan, Americans have effectively brutally unleashed their terror and its not going to stop anytime soon.”
You may want to revisit your history. The Korean War began with an unprovoked attack on South Korea by the North. The US responded to this Korean aggression by acting under the auspices of the United Nations. The only ones that brutally unleashed terror here were the Norks and their Chinese accomplices.
That said, your last question is a good one. Try thinking about if the shoe was on the other foot.
“On an idiotic note, imagine state bank of Pakistan in Karachi is brought down by a maniac Hindu pilot operating on his own. In return Indian govt offers to build a grand mandir on that site. How would we react?”
The more appropriate comparison would be…
“On an idiotic note, imagine state bank of Pakistan in Karachi is brought down by a maniac Hindu pilot operating on his own. In return, the Pakistani Hindu community offers to build a grand mandir on [near] that site.”
Knowing something about Pakistani politics, Pakistani politicians and orgs., save maybe the civil society and human rights orgs., will oppose. Americans usually display a better attitude than this.
My office is located right next to ground zero and I was actually there the day people were protesting against the plans to build a mosque.
Many of the people were actually holding up signs that said “ban the burka.”
I view construction of the mosque/cultural center as an unneeded and undesirable politicization of the Ground Zero site. I have no problem with the construction of such a facility, but why on this location?
Think about if the shoe was on the other foot. What if a group of predominantly American Christians attacked a prominent landmark in Saudi Arabia — would it be appropriate to then construct a Christian cultural center and/or church on the site? The question is of course ridiculous, as the construction of a church anywhere in Saudi Arabia is strictly forbidden.
The equivalence with David Koresh made by Spencer Ackerman is profoundly absurd, as Koresh didn’t attack anyone, but rather had his compound attacked by ATF agents (although he plainly led a weird cult and there are allegations of child abuse and other possible criminal acts taking place at his facility). Neither he nor Baruch Goldstein, as I recall, were celebrated as heroic figures among wide swathes of Jews or Christians, which stands in sharp contrast with the 9/11 hijackers, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden among broad segments of the Muslim community. (OBL as recently as 2007 enjoyed a 46% approval rating among Pakistanis — http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/11/poll.pakistanis/index.html — while most of us can probably remember scenes of various celebrations taking place after 9/11 throughout the Middle East)
Lastly, Cordoba House’s resources are probably best used somewhere other than NYC, which is already one of the most culturally diverse and tolerant cities in the world. Indeed, this hospitality is why so many Muslims choose to call both the city and this country home. Its presence would be superfluous. Where such centers are really needed are in places of intolerance in this world, such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt — where most of the hijackers came from — and other parts of the Middle East. These are the true breeding grounds of hatred and radical ideologies which could use a lesson in tolerance.
The point is NOT whether a mosque should be built or not. America has thousands of mosques all over, and Americans are the last people that “Muslims” should be lecturing about religious tolerance: Hint: Lecture our own people. Now, who is funding this mosque? Is it the Wahabi-Salafist lobby? Please spare American Muslims your money then. Also, what kind of imperialist name is Cordoba Institute? Muslim conquest of Spain? Spare us more of this. Imam Rauf is a shriat apologist, is on record glorifying shariat. What is this shariat that he glorifies? Putting half the population in burqas? Beheading apostates? Chopping hands of thieves? If he clearly states a position that denounces barabrism, jihad, and believes in democracy, I might think he was a great man to lead an Islamic center at the heart of America. Until he does so, I don’t want another mosque becoming a “center for the preaching of hatred” (90% of mosques in New York are). So stop apologizing for him, and demand answers from the organizers.
I am surprised why they want to invest in building rather than people. they can use this to build war torn countries where people are dying especially muslim.
I think this will further aggravate the situation. As somebody has written in this forum, we must come away from 9/11. It remains me of the fable where a king was asked to have his medicine without thinking about the monkey.
Such actions will serve to reduce the ‘trust deficit’ between not only the two nations but also the two faiths. Yes, there are going to be voices against such actions from both sides. I found a good take on this subject at the following link. Interested parties can read it: http://www.individualland.com/blog/?p=455
This situation reminds me of a previous bid to build a huge Islamic museum and Cultural Centre right bang opposite the Houses of Parliament in London around the time of 9/11. This bid lost and the Aga Khan has recently opened the $300million project in Canada.
Whilst such centres can serve to educate Muslims and non-Muslims alike in a beautiful way. However I don’t understand why such politically sensitive sites are chosen for such poster projects other than it to be some sort of power or vanity need. It’s not surprising then that they receive contempt and concern – and not just from extremist right wingers.
Given the backdrop, the fact that such a centre has been actually approved at this site in NY, shows a remarkably ethical decision. New Yorkers and America should be very proud of the decision. Personally as a Muslim I am humbled.
Colin
I will definitely revisit my history once I am positively sure that America champions democracy and supports democratic regimes worldwide. A country known for backing dictatorial regimes in order to pursue their specific interests cannot expect to be loved by third world population. You corrected me on Korean war I truly appreciate. What you forgot to mention that America considers itself next to God and believes in its own divine intervention whether its Korea, Vietnam or some distant part of Africa. Successive American governments have shamelessly supported dictators in almost every part of the world, conveniently ignored their brutalities on their own masses and had them toppled overnight when that person/regime lost its usefulness. Imagine champions of democracy proud of their timeless bonding with the likes of House of Saud, Hosni Mubarak and yes Saddam too till it suited them. Lets not even bring American stance on Israel, someday Tel Aviv will happily nuke the entire GAZA and we would still have Hillary Clinton appearing on our screen cautiously suggesting ‘we condemn these attacks and expect Israel to display some maturity’ laughable isn’t it?
One good morning George Bush woke up all wet spoke to Blair on the hotline and shared his nightmare, Saddam with his WMDs launching a massive attack on Washington and London resulting in an immediate invasion of Iraq. You already know about the Iraqi death toll:). Don’t forget to correct me as I may have sounded biased and utterly anti American
And look Americans must not be blamed for every f*** up. They have been ably supported by corrupt ambitious men who wanted power, needed American support to consolidate their reign. Many third world establishments have looked upon Americans to strengthen their cause. Pakistan establishment is a perfect example as it has effectively bonded with Americans for the past 7 decades and pursued mutual interests effectively ignoring the general interest of Pakistani public. Americans have this awful habit of going for short term interest ignoring the long term implications. Afghan war was a perfect example as it has only come to haunt both American and Pakistani establishment.
Lets discuss some positive aspects too. How can anyone forget the American led NATO attack on Belgrade defeating Milosevic when no Muslim country had the firepower to stop them. Mad men like Karadzic Milosevic Mladic were either put on trials or escaped and American forces must be given mighty credit for that.
All I am suggesting is America just acts like any superpower is suppose to act. Pursue your interests regardless of the consequences. Sometimes their policies may look beneficial but time and time American intervention has proved disastrous leading to hundred thousands of deaths.
9/11 took only 2000 lives but the entire humanity paid a heavy price for twin towers and continues to do so
Correct me as I may have been totally bullshitting:)
They should be allowed to open a mosque or community center. Provided I can set up a artist studio nearby where I wish to paint and sell pictures of Prophet Mohammed.
You have your free speech and I will have mine and then we will have some real dialogue.
As far as Americans and their political/military actions are concerned, i think they are justified in exploiting a situation to their own good. The oncoming Is a battle for resources and I had say America is way ahead of the rest of the pack(of wolves).
As far as their way of doing things is concerned, there is no way one could not laugh, they make fools of themselves and so on, so forth.
This mosque/cultural center, i would say is a waste of money, and would be better suited in places as Colin has suggested, or Taha for that matter.
And terrorists/suicide bombers being more educated in the ways of Islam than the rest of us is just bullshit. If you think somebody having memorized the arabic text of the Quran without knowing what more that a few ayats stand for,is more educated then well, nevermind.
And kudos to the Americans for approving something like this in a place like that.
And as for Patrick, do look up the meanings of dialogue, kiddo. If you plan to perform actions, i might as well perform actions like razing your shop down while i am having this dialogue.
“And as for Patrick, do look up the meanings of dialogue, kiddo. If you plan to perform actions, i might as well perform actions like razing your shop down while i am having this dialogue.”
Well I guess violence is a form of expression too.
Also it makes complete sense to me that dialogue should be had without performing any actions!! Like writing, painting……or speaking!
Lets all have a dialog without “actions”. I am sure it will be very interesting!!
It should either be a non-sectarian mosque; or since Ahmedis have explicitly given up jihad by the sword it should be an Ahmedi mosque.
If the mosque is going to be sectarian (Shia, Sunni, etc.) then I’m against it being built.
Forget about Hindus building temples in Pakistan. They struggle to get permission to repair existing ones.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/20101/hindus-demand-inquiry-into-attack-on-temple-in-mithi/
Being a sensible human being and a Muslim second, I find it inappropriate to build a mosque, or church, or any religious building at that site. Why can’t it be built elsewhere? That mosque (even if its just a small portion of the whole community center building) would continue to be a painful reminder and would also be a source of further protests, and displays of hatred. This is a clear insult to those who died, even if they are Muslims.
Go tell a Muslim mother that they are building a religious themed building at the site that her son died. Go tell a Christian mother that they are building a religious themed building at the site her son died. What kind of reaction do you expect from both? Building a mosque at that site would only appease the fanatic Muslims who do not understand that they are not following the correct way to oppose the actions of the west, and end up doing senseless things like destroying their own country in their anger, making themselves look like fools to the whole world.
Instead of acting in a way that creates more conflict, the good Muslims who are organizing this should act sensibly and strive to UNITE everyone instead of DIVIDING them.
Now Kulsoom points out that this is a Community Center, but unfortunately this Community Center is being set up without prior consent from the whole Community itself! If a large part of the community opposes the creation of this building, considering it a mosque or whatever religious worship place, then what’s the point of taking this conflict creating initiative in the first place? Those Muslim organizers should be respectful in a cunning way, and politely state that they will not build the Community Center that that location, but would build it elsewhere in the city. Then see what the opposition has to say about that!
To end my statement, I declare that there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is the Messenger of Allah. I hail from Pakistan, and I believe that the whole world will one day come out of this crisis and live in peaceful unity, Inshallah.
We all should keep in mind that mosques are center of peace and learning. They should not be taken as a matter of dispute and hatered.
I think that is surely more of an aspiration than reality. Not a bad aspiration at all. Though you could argue they should be primarily be a place of worship with everything else hopefully following.
Yes Chris, I think you are right . Babri Mosque in India was attacked and destroyed by extremist hindus and Mosque in Jerselum is occupied by jews. Mosques in many countries are attacked by terrorists and many innocent killed in these attacks, therefore mosques are victims of terrorists. The terrorists don’t want these centers of peace to prevail in our societies.
I think building a Mosque at zero ground is not good idea as Mosque represent center of peace and before its construction, people are protesting against it. If the mosque is built over their in such situation, then there are maximum chances that some extremists attack their and kill innocent people.
I am surprised why those people who blamed muslims for 9/11 attacks are favoring Mosque at zero ground. First of all we should find out reality, the reality is different what it look at face. Did we tried to find out who was behind 9/11 attacks or we just believe what western media had reported. Just thinking over few things, like
– who is the beneficiary of this 9/11 attack, definitely muslims are not
– is it possible to hijack five plans at at time ?
– is it possible that one or two tiny plans can completely flat world Giant buildings?
The giant buildings fell down in a manner as the method used to demolish old buildings i.e. with the help of explosives fitted at the basements. These are few points to think on but there are many other points.
Is 9/11 prepatory ground to attack Afghanistan and Iraq ?
….and Aqeel we should strip, flagellate and hang Copernicus because he didn’ t agree the earth was centre of the universe.Even though scriptures BEFORE him told him and the world that.
Yeah, sure Aqeel. Just go ahead, that’s the right direction. Denial is sometimes good for an indignant mind. Ignorance can be sometimes bliss ;-)).
I don’t have a firm position on this issue one way or the other. But I do find the “dialogue” between Patrick and Ahmed Ijaz to be quite telling.
Patrick: Let me paint and sell picture of prophet muhammed.
Ahmed Ijaz: Ok, well then I am going to burn down your shop.
Now you wonder why muslims have a bad rep. Clearly the worldview of a large number of muslims is incompatible with a modern pluralistic society.
Patrick and Ijaz’s spat – Patrick is picking up a thread from the FB episode, and is talking of attacking a religions’ fundamental belief that they don’t worship/make images and it is not allowed within their religion to do so.
The mosque at Manhattan may or may not be a good idea – I have no comment either way, but it DOES not seem to be an attack on any other religion.
That is the basic difference between their arguments. Ijaz chose to be provoked but a swallow does not a summer make – why bring in comments like “Now you wonder why muslims have a bad rep”? I have seen Hindus, Jews and Christians angrily retort in debates on religious mores and status and beliefs….does it mean those who lost their cool were symptoms of “no wonder Hindus, Christians/Jews have a bad rep” by an onlooker?
The only reality is that in some nations like Pakistan , there is so much stress on defending the religion in terms of the environment around, that normally sane people deem it OK to comment off the top of their head or loose their cool. There are sane voices there as well , but in a minority. Do not view all through the same prism, as the value systems are different.
“I have seen Hindus, Jews and Christians angrily retort in debates on religious mores and status and beliefs….does it mean those who lost their cool were symptoms of “no wonder Hindus, Christians/Jews have a bad rep” by an onlooker? ”
Yes, indeed whenever a Hindu, Christian, Jew or Muslim decides to threaten with violence over a perceived insult to their religion, they are giving a bad rep to their religious group. Now it may just be me but at least in the west it is the muslims who are by and large having such a violent reaction to perceived religious insults. Why is it that South Park can freely caricature all religious icons except muslim ones?
Here are 2 confessions –
1.I am a Hindu and have seen enough loonies in my community too. That apart, i think we need to give a benefit of doubt to violent speech including that threatening violent action as that is sometimes a symptom of “different ” values.No judgement here on if they are good or bad ones.
2.The south park episode has definitely rankled a lot of liberals, and believe me, across religious lines. My Muslim friends and many others incl Buddhists were apalled at the threats. In a time where Islam has an internal struggle of cleansing going on between extremist/radical forces wishing a caliphate or equivalent and those stressing Islam as a religion of peace (and i think later are REALLY in the majority, though silent mostly), we need to strengthen this silent bunch.
If the land is privately owned, nobody should stop the building. If the land is publicly owned, nobody should allow it.
If they do build a Mosque there it would be saying, the Islamic faith has attacked us and look at us we are turning a cheek the ‘Gandhian’ way. But, in effect what it would say is- “we blame the Islamic faith for this”.
No wonder so many muslims are against it. But, thats a classic politically correct statement meant to hurt.. No wonder Gandhi preferred to turn his cheek.. But, in a different context altogether..
I have not posted for a long time, but reading this post by Kalsoom want me too. I agree with what you have to say, and you can also add materials + info. from loonwatch.com, a site that shows the craziness of Pamela Geller + Robert Spencer.
@AKG:
Your reasoning is flawed: since you only think the Ahmedis are capable of peace, it shows the disingenuous of your statement. Your statement implicitly condemn Sunni and Shia theology, which is regarded as mainstream and in the majority, in comparison to the heretical Ahmedi theology. We can debate the nature or validity of discrimination toward Ahmedis, but that is a moot point: You will be hard-pressed to find any scholar who is willing to support the idea of Ahmedis (of the Qadanyi movement, I’ve heard the Lahore movement is moving towards the mainstream) entering and praying in Sunni or Shia maajids.
@Muhammad Farhan:
The mosque has the support of the local community civic board. The protesters protesting in the past week are right-wingers and bigots (some might be relatives of 9/11 victims who have been misinformed).
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inept, government I notice. The political parties support from Arab gulf Ummah. I reside in Oman the court is pro
PLM-N Nawaz. Is treated as royalty in Oman point making.
About Ground Zero I know the purpose. To say Islam is
non aggression this was. Not the case and nationalism; brothers coming from. America still Ummah needs to become independent were. There only problem the leaders
Zardari owns. So many homes in France which largest outside Lyon. Note: Neoclassical with human representation Haraarm. Deen anyway has 95 rooms so with this sell. It to assist the flooding in Pakistan: note we.
Say no to Masjid in NYC brothers are. You ready Prince Harood Al Bahrain anticipate to build. I Jama masjid in Lahore capacity 150,000. As gift to Pakistan this joke build
hospital create. Medical schools and engineering no always
the Masjid. Brothers Al Ain building a Mugal Persian style Royal Masjid. Capacity 120,000 all granite and marble height interior 80ft. So if Ground Zero is quashed! The Ummah continues to build Jama Masjid I for gotten. Kuwait
wants to build Jama Masjid in Multan 2015. Friendship between Pakistan what ever so we. Laugh at Ground Zero
Pakistan still gets use externally. Sultan Qaboos might build name sake Masjid in Lahore. He was asked by Benzair father in 1977. For present Oman larger Masjid planned for Muscat. Brothers larger than Ground Zero
150,000 all granite what ever. Make Dawah for are leaders!
Simply the truth, shall gain respect from. Nation which [sacrilegious} there only advocating. Out of ignorance still paradox on America. The disdain what they did to Iraq to justify. The imperialism so this main issue regarding. Shall mosque create harmony and respect answer? Is no to many bias majority strong Jewish heritage. Assumption America could become sympathetic: this is essential. No how the majority feels. Without assuming yes I here the hate! They feel
Islam engulfed the shores of America. Maybe we should made
the part of “great” Ummah! Still so called educated majority
whom slightness inclination. On whom we are I do not support
the building. Why? Shall create symbolism of America supports
all religious! Wake before they make us into them hateful lots!